Aliens vs Humans

[deepsea1]

  This is my first forum and the first time I have ever placed my ideas in anything other than a notebook. I have always had an intrest in the unexplained and especialy the thought of other civilizations in our universe. Although I have never experienced a UFO sighting or anything of the such I sincerly believe that we are not alone and will someday make contact with another form of life. I like to think of myself as a regular guy and have just recently gotten out of the military after serving in combat arms and then as a deep sea diver.
  I'm not sure how post are supposed to work but I take it as you put down your ideas and then everyone else comments on what you wrote (something like a debate). Which is mainly why I am here. I had a buddy in the military who had a masters in philosophy and we used to debate religon, aliens and everything in between, so I hope to find a community where I can continue those engaging conversations.
  I guess my first post would be Aliens vs Humans and who do you think would win. I have been reading several different books and none of them turn out good for the humans, but I wouldn't be so quick to sale ourselves short based on some of what I have picked up over the years. My theory is as follows.

  I expect everyone in this forum is up and up on all of the UFO reports and incidents throughout our history; cave paintings with strange objects; paintings with UFO's hundred's of years before man made aircrafts; Egyptian accounts of balls of fire and ect. Taking account of all the documentation we have we can assume that if an alien species has been visiting us then they are thousands, ten of thousands perhaps millions of years ahead of us in technology. That is what we do know about these aliens if they choose to invade. It would seem that mankind would stand no chance in repelling an attack against earth. But what does it take to gain that technology?
  I would assume a civilization that advanced would have to live in a society that did not know war. It would have to be one where every individual worked toward the betterment of the species. Evolution on their planet would have been far different from our on. Perhaps there were no real predators during their evolution into the beings they are today. Think of how long it would take far a civilization to become so advanced they can traverse the stars. Just the idea of this is telling of a species that is not torn apart as such things like race, polotics, religon, gender etc. It could be possible that perhaps the only thing they no of war is from observing us.
  Enter man and what we know about us. We are the result of 500,000 years  of top predatory evolution. We come from a harsh planet that challenged us with huge predators, and terrible enviornments. We have been at war with one another since our birth. Mankind has a terrible capacity not only for violence but extreme violence. We wage wars over trival things such as race and religon. Throughout our history we lived in a kill or be kill world and I believe that the basic neuro networking of our brain is based on that primal premisis. 
  This basic observation is why I say mankind may not be totaly out of the fight for our planet if such an event occurred. We would certainly face extreme problems when facing a technology as far advanced as what we would expect from a interstellar traveling species, but who knows. I always like to put my money on the underdog anyway.
  Please feel free to comment and add any ideas to the discussion.
  I apologize for the grammer it certainly isn't a strong suit.

[Tolkus]

First I'd like to say thank you for your service.   

Now the fun part, I'm one of the biggest skeptics on the forum, I also do not believe in aliens. Most of your ideas are also like that of Star Trek creator Gene Rodenberry. Ever seen Preditor, Alien or Independance Day movies? Different take there about aliens. I am a history teacher and historian and all those "Anccent Aliens" are misinturpratation. Or these were people like Jewles Vern, most of the stuff he wrote about we now have or do. For some reason these people who claim that Anccent people were not smart enough to do some of the things they did and had to have Alien help is to me a rather egocentric view. Do they think people like Einstian and Hawkens were only born in the 20th century?

I can't remember the name of the book but there is one that the polt is an Alien race comes to earth finds it rather peiceful and they see it as easy pickens' but they soon find out that there is no war on earth because they have gotten so good at it. Needless to say the good earthlings wipe out the bad aliens.

My take on things.

[deepsea1]

 Thanks for the comment! Just glad to know someone read it!
  It's tuff to argue with a history teaher about what is in our historical record and although I can agree with you on several points that so many things can be misunderstood I think there are so many other things that are brought into question and can't be easly explained away.
  As a history major I would like to know what you think about the question I posed as to what if... Mankinds ability for violence and war, and an extraterestial threat that had not known war trying to conquer our planet.
  Do you think man would stand a chance against an alien threat? I know as a soldier the most logical thing to do would be some form of biological threat that would kill off all humans while an alien spaceship was out in orbit and then populate our planet after all humans were killed. But if it did come to some type of ground war how would you feel humans would fare?
  As a history major I know you would have to be quite familar with all the wars mankind have waged so I really am intrested in how you would think a ground war with beings from another planet would go.

[Tolkus]

The things you learn from reserch... those so called unexplained things, ever notice how about every five to six years there is a "discovery" that explains things? We know a lot more than any will ever admit.

There is only one flaw I see in the sanareo, a planet that didn't know war wouldn't try and conquer another planet.   I see aliens like the Star Wars univers and we could hold our own.

A ground war would be to our advantage because we know the terrain. If our leaders were smart and followed Sun Tzu teachings we could easly win a ground war.

My brain is shuting down I'll have to think more.

[deepsea1]

Watched NATGEO about three days ago and they had an entire show dedicated to this subject. It was actually quite good and in the end we did win through guerilla tactis, but only after years. The premise for aliens coming here was protein and chlorophyl... something I never would have thought of.

[Tolkus]

Yeah like I posted, I think it would be quicker though, our winning.